So far, all of our numbers have been positive. I’ve assumed you have money in the bank (positive!), and you’re earning interest (positive!). But now we’re going to get into negative values, which will represent money you owe to someone else.
I’m going to use a mortgage as an example. You borrow money from a bank to buy a house, and you need to pay that money back. Other types of debt are similar, but they aren’t quite as simple.
For example, a student loan works the same way, though with some types of student loans you aren’t charged any interest while you’re still in school. And credit card debt is also similar, except you can add to the debt in small pieces over time. We’ll cover both of these in more detail later on.
Back to our mortgage. Let’s say to take out a mortgage for $100,000 to buy a house. And let’s stick with our 6% interest rate. But this is now interest you owe the bank!
You are fighting against this interest. The interest is bringing the balance up, so making the negative number more negative. You are making payments to offset this interest, plus a little more so the amount you owe goes down.
Let’s start our spreadsheet as we have before. Start with -100,000 (negative!) at a 6% interest rate. Let’s only go out 30 years, since most mortgages are 30 years or less.

Highlight all of column B and make it a currency, just to make the numbers easier to understand:

The brackets are a fancy financial way of representing a negative number.
We just created a mortgage … where you never make any payments! That doesn’t really work. The bank would take your house before well before 30 years. Let’s add in some payments. Payments are going to be positive to offset the loan amount. Let’s plug in a $5000 per year payment to begin with:

Now the number is still getting more negative, but not quite as quickly. This doesn’t work: with a 30-year mortgage you spend 30 years paying off the mortgage balance, and so it needs to get to $0 after 30 years.
Increase the value in cell F1 until the balance is roughly 0 after 30 years. How much do you need to pay every year?
We’ll get to this more in the next lesson. But think about the first year. You’re paying $6,000 in interest. So the first $6,000 of your payment goes to offsetting that interest. Whatever is left pays down the original loan. So the payment needs to be more than $6,000.
I came up with an annual payment (the value in F1) of about $7,265. (There are formulas to calculate the actual value without plugging in numbers, but we won’t cover that here.)
So the first year $6,000 of your payment goes toward interest, and the remaining $1,265 goes to pay down the original loan. About 83% of your first-year payment is fighting off that compounding interest! Actually, you keep it from compounding, since you pay it before it’s added to the next year’s balance.
That’s why the image for this lesson seems so apt: you are fighting the interest and slowly pushing that loan balance back to zero.

I’ve simplified mortgages a whole lot here. In reality, there are lots of complications:
- You pay a mortgage monthly, and interest is calculated monthly.
- You generally need to make a down payment of around 20% of the loan value.
- You need to pay for insurance on the house, and insurance on the mortgage. These are often added to your monthly payments.
But the numbers we came up with match pretty closely to a real mortgage. I went here and calculated the monthly payment for a $100,000 30-year loan at 6%:

$599.55 a month is $7,195 a year. I came up with $7,265 on our spreadsheet. We’re off by $70 or so a year, or less than 1%. Not bad for using annual instead of monthly numbers. Try other numbers in your spreadsheet and see how they compare!
And save the spreadsheet– we’ll use it as the starting point for the next lesson as well. Here’s Lesson #6 with more details about mortgages.






















